Posts by Lee Elder

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Another JW has died....

by Lee Elder in

... and the watchtower's irrational policy on blood contributed to the death.

the death toll continues to mount.

http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/132865.

Lee Elder

... and the Watchtower's irrational policy on blood contributed to the death. The death toll continues to mount.

http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/132865

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Elders harassing me

by raven in

hi everyone, it has been a while since i've last updated!

(refer to my previous posts for the full story) here is a quick re-cap: 2 months ago my mother found out that i am living with my boyfriend, she told me i was discovered by an "anonymous" tipper who turned me in for "living in sin".. first of all, that is nearly impossible, the congregation i was in is 100's of miles away from where i currently live.. no one would have ever known i was living with my boyfriend unless i told them, which i never did, i cut off all communication with that congregation in part of my attempted fade which was blown into pieces and discovered.. anyways, my mom tells me if i don't go to the elders and confess like a good little sheep, then she is obligated to tell them.. ( don't see why, i don't even live under her roof ) well i never went to them because why should i?

so they met with my mother and she told them i live with my boyfriend... let me remind you, this was two months ago.. i was told i was going to be df'd and that was that.

Lee Elder

Probably easier on you if you don't get DF'd. Question becomes, what is the best way to accomplish that? Answer depends on what they have in the way of Witnesses, what exactly you've told your mother or others, etc.

I would not be inclined to acknowledge they have any authority over you whatsoever. If there were some way to send their letter back as undeliverable with no forwarding address, that would be ideal. Otherwise, I think I'd probably just ignore it. If you talk with your mom, I would not admit that you received any letter.

The whole point here being that you probably have at least some JW family and friends you'd still like to have contact with from time to time. If that is not the case, I don't think what you do matters to much.

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Little talk about blood fractions

by wannaexit in

it appears that watchtower is distancing itself from the blood fractions.

the new "blood card" doesn't mention them and any mention of blood in the watchtower ignores fractions.

i wander if they are going back to their hard stance.

Lee Elder

Wannaexit. Can you post the card for us?

Thanks

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For those who are still in... What do you do about field service?

by Wait For It in

jw
friends

for those of you who are still in because of family circumstances, what do you do about field service?

do you still go regularly, sporadically or not at all?.

if you do still go, how do you manage?

Lee Elder

Sad to say, I was a "true believer" right up until the end, or pretty close to it. At the very end, I would do many of the things already mentioned, and didn't use anything other than the Bible at the door. I can remember when I was in my teens, I was a regular pioneer and the sons of the city overseer use to joke that they would walk up to the doors, and not ring the bell or knock - simply stand there hoping no one would walk up to answer the door. They told me it almost always worked, and they rarely had to speak to anyone. I thought it was terrible at the time, but obviously, they had it right, and I was just too brain washed to see through the bull shit.

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Russian Supreme Court takes a Stand on the Blood Issue

by Lee Elder in

in a move that will certainly be carefully analyzed, the russian supreme court has upheld a lower court ban on jehovah's witnesses, in large part due to their controversial policy on the remaining prohibition of whole blood and some blood products that remain essential in certain emergency situations and conditions.

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http://www.rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20160609/276279094.html.

Lee Elder

In a move that will certainly be carefully analyzed, the Russian Supreme Court has upheld a lower court ban on Jehovah's Witnesses, in large part due to their controversial policy on the remaining prohibition of whole blood and some blood products that remain essential in certain emergency situations and conditions.

http://www.rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20160609/276279094.html

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New Provision to Assist Us to Abstain From Blood - Dec KM

by truthseeker in

if you wondered whether the society would print blood cards this year, they won't.

blood cards are out.. consider the box found on the december km, entitled "new provision to assist us to abstain from blood".

the governing body has approved combining the essential elements of the durable power of attorney (dpa) document and the advance.

Lee Elder

I don't believe there is anything new here. They stopped the annual

blood card signing in 2004. Here is our current analysis:

http://ajwrb.org/medicine/watchtower-no-blood-card

Marvin has one of the state forms posted although not current:

http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2010/04/watchtower-blood-doctrine-facts.html

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Died Due To Refusing Blood Transfusion

by rrb2016 in

well, last monday my mother, a jehovah's witness since her baptism in 1968 died last week because she would not accept a blood transfusion.

she was 76 and had lung and skin cancer.

i know that the cancer would have gotten her anyway, but she was bleeding internally, and was told that she needs a blood transfusion, as her blood count went all the way down to 3.2 (should be 12-14.

Lee Elder

Very sorry for your loss. If you send us a photograph, we will include your mom

as a victim of the policy.

Lee

www.ajwrb.org

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

Lee Elder

Hemopure is being used by JWs on a compassionate usage basis in the U.S. in some situations. The Boston bombing comes to mind. If you use the "find" function in Adobe and type in "Jehovah's" you can quickly view all of the citations in the FDA's pdf.

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

Lee Elder

Energy is probably a constant - having always existed. Given the right conditions it can become matter. Those conditions are largely a matter of speculation.

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Watchtower set for its biggest pay day, ever.

by pleaseresearch in

if this is true, and we will have to wait and see.

prince could give everything to the watchtower.

so that's his $300 million fortune.

Lee Elder

With such a large estate, Probate would be required in Minnesota regardless of whether or not there is a will. If his compound or other real estate was owned in "Joint Tenancy" it could pass directly to the other named owner/owners or "Joint Tenants" on the deed thus bypassing probate. The same would be true of jointly held accounts, payable on death accounts, or life insurance that names a beneficiary. If he had a total of $50,000 or less in personal property, then probate can be avoided. Obviously, that is not the case.

The term "probate" actually comes from the Latin "to prove", and refers to the legal process of proving that someone had a valid will. They had to "prove" their claim to the estate. My guess is that this will be a very complex probate process that could drag on for years.